Oleg Kalugin is a former Soviet Foreign Intelligence Service officer, then a Counter-Intelligence Service officer and a KGB General. In the USSR, he served as immediate supervisor of Vladimir Putin, President of RF. Now Kalugin lives in the USA. Yuri Felshtinky, a Russian American historian, recently interviewed Kalugin. They talked about US President Donald Trump and his ties with Russia. GORDON exclusively publishes transcription of this conversation.